Link to the Youtube account: https://www.youtube.com/@AbolitionistsRising
Dear Grace,
Maybe one of the only recordings without a train in the background. In case it matters to you. Oh, there’s the airplane.
Honestly not at my normal place today. I’m at a community center. There’s a library, gym, playground, waiting pool. Today’s topic: Abortion.
I figure since no one finds me funny I might as well be a serious journalist. Alright so there’s no babies yet. There’s a whole bunch of, I don’t know, five to seven year olds playing in the playground. One kid just blew his shoe. It’s pretty good when you run so fast you can run out of your own shoes. Got your nose.
The reason I’m bringing up abortion is because I’ve been watching videos from this guy who’s trying to abolish abortion. Sample videos links below. I like the videos because the guy’s very calm, level-headed, can de-escalate a situation and most of his arguments are pretty good. However being a journalist I’m gonna have to look at both sides.
If I was a journalist, I’d ask, the first question I’d ask would be... Would be, what’s the end goal? Because obviously abolishing abortion is going to be a tough one. He equates it to slavery and says that if they can end slavery, they can end abortion. It’s his basic position.
Obviously he has a religious position on this. Maybe not obviously, but obviously to me. I think most people that say no abortion at all are probably pretty religious. And he is, although he isn’t really preaching.
His point, although he doesn’t necessarily explain it very well, is that you’re a human from the point of conception. And thus, if you’re removed from the body, you’re murdering a human at whatever stage of development.
And that’s the one part he doesn’t explain well enough. He just keeps saying, it’s a human, it’s a human, it’s a human. He needs to say it’s a human at various stages of development and then he just needs to keep repeating that because as soon as he says it’s a human then whoever he’s talking to they realize he’s doing this on college campuses so he’s going to get some people that are worked up. As soon as he hangs on to that it’s a human without saying at various stages of development he’s instantly attacked because then of course one of the first comebacks is well it’s just a clump of cells. His comeback is well you’re just a clump of cells which once again he just should say it’s a human at that stage of its development a clump of cells and for the most part he does pretty good with that.
It says you were on set, but it’s not driving your point home well enough.
And although he’s quite reasonable in these conversations and quite knowledgeable and everything else, he’s just as stuck to his position as everyone else’s to theirs, so why would anyone change from theirs to his? If he has no flexibility, no wiggle room, why should anyone that’s talking to him have any flexibility or wiggle room? It’s really just a yes, no question at that point. Do you support abolishing abortion? Yes or no? Most people are going to say no and walk away and that’s it. That makes a shitty video.
Now I may have to have a bias. I have a disease. Called Grandpaism. And part of Grandpaism is the thought of babies now and in the future. And it’s definitely not ever the thought of a boring one. But that’s me. I’m an old fuck.
And as many of the people that come out to argue with, I think his name is Russell, sorry I should do with names. The people that come out to argue with him...
Wow, it’s so quiet here, Grace. You can hear people sneeze. My brain’s not used to this much quiet.
Back to abortion. Here’s my reasoning or my logic. He likes to use those words a lot. If you just reason, if you just reason, if you just reason, here’s my reasoning.
If I was in that position, this is what I would say. And I’m trying to pretend to be him. I’m not saying this is my opinion. I’m saying if I was Russell or whatever his name was, this is what my approach would be.
My approach would be in a perfect world, there’d be no abortion, and every child would be looked after and every mother would be looked after to live given birth and given everything they need to make it as comfortable an experience as humanly possible. That’s a perfect world. And when the baby’s born, whether it’s adopted or stays with the mother, it doesn’t matter.
That’s more my opinion than his, but... Now... My body, my choice, etc.
Actually before I get to that. That would be a perfect world scenario. And for Russell that would be at conception. But by taking such a strong stance because he also doesn’t support abortion for rape victims although he wants to rape as murdered. And I can try and get into that logic later. He does a pretty good job explaining it, but I have some thoughts.
So I’d say that’s best case scenario, but then look at some alternatives. I would say, ask whoever you’re talking to, what do you consider to be the point of life? Because his point is, as long as you’re conceived, you’re alive. A lot of people don’t agree with that, so why not be reasonable?
I just ask them, when do you believe it? Just to me, I think the logical points are conception, embryo, fetus, and I’d say, I don’t want to say fully developed because babies are never really fully developed, but damn you’re ready to be born how about that and then first breath of air.
I think it’s safe to say that the law defines the first breath of air or out of the womb as alive and anything inside is I guess the property of the mother to do with as she pleases. The point I was trying to make. Awkward as it was. There could be different levels. So someone has to say yes or no. Or ban all. Or ban none. They’ll probably go over ban none. Because banning is a tough sell. Or abolishing is a tough sell. But you could probably convince people to say no abortions after the zygote stage. Or no abortions after the heartbeat. Or no abortions after whatever brain activity. I don’t know what. Doesn’t really matter. But if you had a bunch of different levels each of those levels you’re getting more and more people to support fewer and fewer abortions.
And again the second problem with this plan as I say that is all of his opponents immediately say well what are you going to do with all these babies who’s going to pay for them blah blah blah and a couple of times Russell has said you know it’s up to churches and what not to provide etc etc. Which is true. But I think what he should be doing is actually having the data on how many kids are adopted. How many kids or how many parents want kids to be adopted or want kids for adoption etc, etc, etc. So he needs to just use some facts.
And the other argument he loses is he doesn’t have an organization set up or built for, I mean he’s helped pregnant women, but he doesn’t have an organization. It’s not like you can say, oh we run this organization called XYZ and if someone accidentally gets pregnant for whatever reason we help her through the entire process from start to finish. So if you say you’re against abortions, but you also have an organization that will help anyone who decides they don’t want an abortion. So in other words, you’re giving them an actual solution. That’s a much better sell than just saying, you know, we’ll figure it out when it happens, which is one of his logics or one of his counter arguments or I think he calls them alt or somethings.
Goodness Grace, babies are arriving. And a big-ass crow that’s not gimpy. There’s things like down near Ravencice. I sound differently at this location, Grace.
Anyways, I think that would be a reasonable thing to do, and that’s something you can do, or start doing, before abolishment. Let’s face it, for a well-educated man, he’s gotta be able to see that that’s just not gonna happen in this society. People will oppose it just to oppose it.
So I guess set the example. Tell the stories of the women you saved from whatever situation. How you saved them. How their kids are doing great now. Whether they’re with their mom, foster parents, adoptive parents or whatever. Tell them all the great stories of kids that didn’t get aborted. Cause that’s what you’re missing.
Cause the other argument the university students have and reasoned very well against them is the whole, it’ll ruin my life. Which is true if they don’t have the support. It won’t ruin their life if they have the support of their family or their community.
So being a little less or being a bit more reasonable and having multiple levels of acceptance I think it’s a better approach and then prove your concept. I’m not saying you have to bring one of the single or one of the mothers with you not necessarily single but. You don’t need to bring your mother around to tell the story, but you can still tell the story. And you can tell it online. You can tell it honestly. You can hire me to write the story. I’ll only charge you 500 bucks. I’m just saying.
Is the goal abolishment? Or is the goal less? Because if the goal is less. A little bit less. A little bit more reasonable approach will save probably more babies than trying to do the all or nothing approach. Again if that’s the goal you want more babies in the world which I do. They’ll be a little bit more reasonable. Show more examples of babies where the parents or parent considered aborting but didn’t and then they became famous or smart or something.
Had a dream last night, Grace. Make a note, the babies don’t come to this library until three-ish. Not sure if the mums in this neighborhood are lazy or what.
And we had a dream that a UFO good old fashioned flying saucer landed on the grounds of Parliament Hill. No little green men or anything. Just a traditional looking flying saucer lands on Parliament Hill in Ottawa and does absolutely nothing. Doesn’t contact the Prime Minister. Doesn’t contact anyone, it just lands on the ground.
Police surrounded, of course, to keep everybody away. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Parliament Hill Grace, but if you see it on TV, it looks like it’s in a big park area. It’s not. It’s basically on the river in downtown Ottawa. It’s got a lot of greenery from one angle. If you turn around, you’re basically just downtown Ottawa. It’s alright, but it’s not as picturesque as it looks on TV. Nothing ever is. Fucking photographers, you can’t trust them.
Anywho, in this dream, the army tries to move it and they can’t. It’s too heavy. They cover it up for a while, but the entire world knows it’s there because, as I say, it’s basically across from downtown Ottawa and they couldn’t block every single person from looking out the fucking window and taking a million fucking pictures and distributing it around a million websites around the world. I guess in the stream this is the first true confirmed UFO hello the source isn’t confirmed it’s basically just a flying saucer that nobody can move that nobody comes out of. Eventually the world is outraged that they’ve covered it up. They forced the Canadian government to remove the cover so everyone can take their photos in front of a flying saucer.
Eventually they give up and realize they’ll never be able to move the thing and decide to allow the public to touch it. Create a system where you force one long, continual moving line. Walk up to it, walk around it, touching it, and then leave off the other side.
Of course it becomes the world’s biggest tourist attraction. Everyone wants to see the UFO even though they don’t know if it’s actually alien. There will be all hopes put on by the Canadian government to attract tourists. It’s not of course.
Scientists from all the world come to investigate and none of them can figure out a single fucking thing much like physics for the last since the bomb. They knew. So they have to pave a path around the flying saucer for people to walk on. It becomes so popular that they have to sell tickets through an auction. And they operate 24-7. 24-7 people are walking around touching the UFO. Every hotel in Ottawa and Gatineau which is the back city across the street from Ottawa, across the river, whatever. Every hotel, Airbnb, couch, trailer, garage. All those places I was begging to stay a couple of episodes ago, all those places are filled for years in advance. Build temporary motels etcetera etcetera etcetera. It’s a big fucking deal Grace.
Then the dream ended.
Well that came from a guy in the Joe Rogan podcast saying if there’s aliens in the past and they crash landed they probably or they might worship the ship. Is that just a modern version?
Thing is it’d be so crazy you could literally in other words I can’t say literally be literally having a have a office across from the parliament buildings which are plenty with a view of the UFO and you could just basically rent out your office space it’s an observation tower people would be fucking desperate to see that. We’re desperate to say that they’ve seen it. Imagine how dirty it’d be with all those people touching it.
Maybe they got squeegee kids. After every 10 people a kid with a squeegee and a spray bottle comes by and wipes off all the germs.
Back to abortion.
I just realized schools are now full of bikes and electric bikes and scooters. I’m not the most observant person Grace.
The School of Comedy.
Sorry, I changed my position. Sitting position. Not my position on abortion.
I say, if there’s a worldwide shortage of babies or children, which I believe there is, or there’s a bunch of countries that are in need of children. Sounds like a business opportunity. I’ll leave that one alone Grace but again if I was going to make an argument I would say worldwide there are X number of parents looking for children to adopt because that’s the one argument that still sucks on is the adoption one to say this there are X amount worldwide.
I’m sorry I’m having trolls focusing because I’m eavesdropping on teenagers conversations as he walked by me. Couldn’t wrench and scream at any point in time.
Anyways, back to abortion. I live in probably one of the most multicultural cities in Canada. On any given day I can see basically every race of human probably from every continent. And as all these kids leave school it’s the biggest melting pot I’ve probably ever seen.
And they’re happy. I mean, a lot of them have scooters. They’d make me happy if I was a kid, but they should make me happy right now. Scooter electric bike. Better won’t last a day. Unless Grace is on the back of the scooter or sitting on the handlebars of my bike.
So for me, seeing all these happy kids all the arguments I just don’t buy.
Rock. Pretend there’s a 50 foot UFO flying saucer shaped 50 foot diameter flying saucer a long way take for a person to walk around 358 degrees of it.
I guess you had to place Russell’s argument to fail. I do hope his name is Russell, I’m pretty sure he is, but if the only thing that fails basically by saying all abortion is murder which is what he’s basically saying. He’s calling the mother a murderer but it’s okay because Jesus forgives her or God forgives her. What the fuck’s point of saying all that? How does that help? You’re not encouraging anyone.
If anything you’re encouraging them to say fuck you I’ll go of abortion. Mistakes are not sins. It’s almost like he was taking a slightly different approach than the high and mighty preacher. I just find this choice. I’m just looking at this from my own viewpoint. This is an editorial after all. It’s not a well researched article. Otherwise I would actually find out all this information. I wouldn’t put it in there but I probably won’t. I’m just trying to find arguments that would convince a woman in need to not give up the baby.
What else on there instead of the bitty-bitty-bitty? Or those kids can scream at any point. Good thing is those are all happy screams.
So one of Russell’s arguments is that he compares it to Gaza and it’s like end the war and then we’ll figure out what to do. End abortion and then we’ll figure out what to do. Doesn’t work that way. And again for someone that’s well educated, logical, reasonable, able to de-escalate he’s still stuck on certain narratives which I get. But again, what’s the point? Is the point to save babies? Then, let’s look at every possible way we can save more babies.
Because I know there are high schools with daycares because of single moms or teenagers who got pregnant. And I remember hearing people talk with such outrage and disdain over that. A daycare at a high school? Then we all know that the teenager who got pregnant was already shamed and shunned and everything else to the ninth degree. Or if it’s just recognized as a mistake that produced a child.
If everyone in that mother’s life supports her and that child sure, it’s a bump in the road of high school but it’s not the end of the world. And again I have 50 examples. I have 500 examples. I started a website with 5,000 examples of teenagers who got pregnant but their family supported them and the kid turned out just fine. Use the data Russell. Because your arguments are never going to work. Because there’s no. There’s no data point. You can’t say if we did this that would happen.
I can tell you. Forgetting some of the arguments against him.
Another one is growing up in foster care sucks. But that’s assuming every baby or every unwanted baby automatically goes into foster care. There’s so many people around the world that want children. Lawyers or even foster care. Now I get it. Part is they want babies, they don’t want the five-year-old boy. But still. More programs you have that support pregnant women the fewer abortions you’ll have. That’s the data. That’s the end of the story.
And stop bringing the Bible into it because quite frankly you’re not convincing too many Bible thumpers one way or the other.
Here’s the other thing pro-life and pro-choice can accept each other’s position to a certain degree possibly because they have to but I’m just thinking of religious people who are pro-life with exceptions like rape, incest, medical, so on and so forth. So it’s mostly pro-life. It’s not a complete ban of abortions. And that position is acceptable by a lot of people I always think as being... I don’t know, mainstream.
Again, maybe the religious person doesn’t want any abortions but realizes the world that they live in. And I’m not sure about comparing abortion to slavery. And I realize that the point he’s trying to make is a small group of people abolitionists ended slavery by starting something that people disagreed with but eventually got behind. The problem of slavery was never about my body, my choice. So to make that comparison I think it’s difficult for a lot of people. I get the inspirational aspect of a few people saying slavery is wrong and stopping it. But there’s been a lot of people over the last hundred years saying abortion is wrong trying to stop it and they can’t. And there’s the other thing you could do.
So why not just research where all these unwanted pregnancies are really coming from and use that data. How much of it is failed contraception. How much of it is two drunk people fucking and not using contraception. How much of it is whatever. Go through each and every one. How much is rape? How much is... I don’t know all the reasons I got pregnant but the reasons for the abortion. And take all that data and say.
Whenever they bring up the rape one then use that data if that number is high that’s where most abortions are coming from then we’ve got a different problem in this society because if most of the abortions are from rape then why the fuck aren’t the police and the government and somebody doing something because if you’re telling me every abortion clinic in the country what they’re doing maybe 10-20 abortions a day and those are all rapes that’s a lot of raping. I think it’s more like Russell describes where it’s all walks of life pulling up the kinetic from walking in off the bus to Escalades.
They’re all making a mistake and taking care of the problem the way they choose to which is their right. I’m not saying I agree with this position all I’m saying is I want more babies in the world I don’t care where they come from give me five or ten to look after and the funds. Give me five or ten babies and five or ten hot nannies and I’ll look after them all. The babies and the nannies. Sorry, make that ten single nannies. And then I’ll raise those 10 kids and knock up those 10 nannies and then get 10 more babies. Each nanny will have an adopted baby and a baby of her own. And I’ll have 10 nanny wives 20 kids 10 of my own 10 from hopefully all around the world.
Last problem with banning anything is people find a way around it. And weirdly enough, Russell even explains this in one of his videos. They can basically just order pills online that will abort your baby at any point in the pregnancy. And he has a video. The transaction between pregnant woman and a lady selling these pills. Pregnant woman asks will the babies come out alive? Person selling says they may, but they won’t live long. Pregnant woman says how long? The seller says not long, maybe 15 minutes. And by the way, this was a twin pregnancy. And the lady ordered the pills, took the pills. I don’t think it was late, late term, but it was late enough that when they were born, they were breathing and crying. I cried for 15-20 minutes and died.
This is my question to anyone listening. That’s gotta be as traumatic as having the baby and giving it away. Or at least having it given away. It’s still alive. And who knows. I don’t like that argument that who knows it could be the next Einstein or whatever but who knows.
The School of Comedy.
It’s over an hour, Grace. I think I’ve made my point. Probably missed a bunch of shit. Who cares? No, the reason I watch those videos is because the conversations aren’t bad. And they are quite calm. But I’m jealous jealous of those conversations that I need in live conversation.
